19th September 2018
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Privileged position (Tom Morton)

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I write in some confusion. I believe that the Shetland and Orkney SNP candidate, by his own admission at a recent hustings, is unwilling to talk about his personal background, and will say only that he “comes from Dundee”.

I now understand from the website thepeerage.com that Mr Skene is “Present Chief. Representer of the Feudal

Baronial House of Skene of Skene. Chief of the Name and Arms of Skene.” And indeed is an old boy of that fine institution, Eton College.

I am embarrassed, as having met The Baron Skene, chief of his clan, on various occasions, I have failed, miserably, to drop to one knee and make suitable obeisance to his elevated lordship.

I hope he will forgive this and from now on make plain his privileged position, so that we humble folk may treat him with the awe he so clearly deserves.

He is third on this list: http://www.thepeerage.com/p57812.htm.

Tom Morton
Hillswick.

73 comments

  1. Robert Duncan

    What a hateful load of nonsense. If personal attacks are really all people can muster it’s little wonder people are shifting to the SNP in droves.

    • Iantinkler

      Apologist to the very end! Robert Duncan, of your previous comment of September 1st, 2014 9:39, “As things stand, I’m increasingly convinced a Yes vote is the best of realistic options.” This would hardly support your comment “I leant very slightly, towards Yes”, whatever changed your mind from” best realistic option,” to a No vote, a few days later? I realize that is not relevant to Danus Skene’s little blunders, but neither are any of your pedantic interjections on this Skene , Jo Grimond , hateful attack topics.

      • John Tulloch

        Yet again, Robert Duncan finns imsel sprikklin a da boddam a Ian’s laandin net!

      • Brian Smith

        It’s amusing to watch the UKIP crowd slapping each other on the back about their brilliant interventions.

      • Robert Sim

        ” I realize that is not relevant…” – I couldn’t agree more.

      • Robert Duncan

        It seems my first reply has not passed moderation, perhaps I was a little too strong in my wording…

        Ian, we have been over this before, and it is really rather tiresome. At the point of posting that, I was at my most despondent with the “Better Together” campaign. However, it is clear even from your selective quoting that I was far from a settled “Yes voter”, and eventually my heartfelt feelings shone through over my disappointment at the campaign.

        Sadly, many pro-Union voters have failed to learn the lessons they should have from the significant growth in the “Yes vote” and continue a nasty, bullying and parochial style of debate that does nothing but drive their fellow electorate towards the SNP. The great irony being they are doing far more damage to the long-term strength of the union than many of the people voting SNP tomorrow will do.

    • Douglas Young

      Personal details of candidates commented on and not policies, just about par for the course for a BBC employee. Poor poor attitude.

      All five candidates are entitled to a personal life and background, they should be judged on their commitment to the electorate.

      Still, you can be sure some of the Famous Six will come out at any opportunity….

      • John Tuloch

        ‘Six of the Best’ for Danus and you in every debate, Douglas!

        🙂

  2. Iantinkler

    Funny is it not after all the sneers from Salmond and the YES boys about Eton toffs in Westminster, now the SNP have one of their very own Old Etonians. Not surprisingly they kept a bit quiet about that, and Danus too for that matter. Probably Danus was too busy with his mind meld with the late Jo Grimond.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/02/salmond-plays-class-card-against-cameron-eton-jibe

  3. Robert Sim

    Never has the phrase “scraping the bottom of the barrel” seemed more appropriate.

    • Iantinkler

      There seems to be rather a lot of undisclosed and hidden scrapings at the bottom of this particular barrel, Robert Sim. Have a good laugh and see what the SNP have to say about “the Great Danus”. Withholding information is non disclosure and hardly giving an honest picture of the man. Seems sadly, just a bit typical. Referance: http://www.snp.org/people/danus-skene NB. Liberal, Labour and SNP! This leopard knows how to change his spots.

      • Robert Sim

        “Withholding information”? Putting together information about a candidate is naturally a selective process, Ian. Everyone understands that. It also has to be brief and readable.

  4. Gordon Harmer

    Does this mean that Mr Skene is actually more akin to David Cameron than he is to Jo Grimond?

  5. laurencepaton

    Nice one Tom for exposing yet another guizer !

    Vote Robert Smith , the only real man in the bunch.

    • Robin Stevenson

      Who’d know IF he’s real or not?…Anyone seen him yet at any hustings?

      • Robert Smith

        My word Robin, if the only thing you have to grumble about my candidacy, party or policies is my being too busy earning a living to attend a couple of – lets face it – waffle fests, I must be a stellar candidate of a world class party! 🙂

  6. Johan Adamson

    I have always had a great respect for you Mr Morton, but with respect, this is not news. Those on line have been calling him Skene of Skene throughout this campaign, and attacking him for once supporting other parties. This is what has been wrong in this whole election campaign, it is so negative. All other parties have been knocking the SNP. I think this has got wir dander up somewhat, and most will be voting SNP to ensure they are still voting to the left of centre as they always have.

    • John Tulloch

      Johan,

      The problem is not with Mr Skene’s place of education which, Jonathan Wills asserts isn’t as good as Lerwick’s AHS, it’s because we don’t have to search far to find quotes of class bigotry from the SNP, in particular, regarding “Old Etonians”, with whom, per se, I (an ‘old AHS-ian) have no problem. It’s what they do that counts.

      Correct me if I’m wrong but have there not been many such comments from Mr Skene’s SNP Shetland lieutenants in the local media?

      And now that their bigoted comments are coming back to haunt them – suddenly, “bluster, bluster” – it’s “perfectly ok to be upper class and Eton-educated”.

      More humbug. They just can’t stop themselves.

      • Johan Adamson

        You’re right John. It’s not the fact that the leaders of the main 3 parties went to Eton that is important, it’s that we don’t have any faith in them as leaders that is the problem. Peerie boys squabbling, no gravitas. Enough sneering at, and contempt for, women leaders, the poor and Scots to crash their battlebuses (and not really win them any votes). And incidentally, I, Like Danus have agreed with the Liberals and Labour in the past but like many many others will be voting SNP this time. People in England have no one to vote for, that is such a shame.

      • John Tulloch

        “Contempt for women leaders”, Johan?

        I agree, Mrs Thatcher attracts an awful lot of vitriolic comments, especially, from the SNP.

      • Robert Sim

        “…we don’t have to search far to find quotes of class bigotry from the SNP, in particular, regarding “Old Etonians”…Correct me if I’m wrong but have there not been many such comments from Mr Skene’s SNP Shetland lieutenants in the local media?” It’s a good idea to substantiate such claims with evidence, John. It’s an impossible-enough task to defend Tom Morton’s desperate ad hominen attack without something to back up your assertion.

      • Johan Adamson

        I havent heard a single mention of Thatcher from the SNP, apart from Nicola saying it caused her to get into politics, whereas Nicola has been called offensive names because she is female, been asked inane questions about having bairns and about her dress sense. None of this has been directed at the male leaders. It really is time for a change. Especially since without an Eton education she is managing to show them how it is done.

  7. Robert Wishart

    Skene’s family background is no secret and of little relevance. And to be fair it is difficult to imagine someone of more privileged origins than his one-time hero Jo Grimond. More to the point, Skene of Skene changes political colour more frequently than the warp and weft of a clan tartan, the “badge of servitude” so admired by the nationalists.

  8. Harry Dent

    In venting his spleen, Mr Morton forgets that, by and large, people don’t actually care too much about candidates’ social class; what’s important to most of us is how they actually behave.

    Onne can easily think of a number of “toffs” who have been popular amongst working class socialists (eg Tony Benn and Paul Foot) or people from “humbler” backgrounds who became fierce class warriors for the other side (eg David Davis, or even the blessed Margaret of Grantham)

    Mr Morton is entitled to propagandise for whomever he likes, but he really should be aware that bile such as this can push people in the opposite direction to that intended.

    • John Tulloch

      The problem, Harry, isn’t with Mr Skene’s background, it’s, simply, that the SNP, both nationally and locally, throughout the referendum campaign – ad nauseam – have repeatedly made insulting, bigoted, class-warring slurs against Conservative politicians.

      But now they have a candidate who is an “Old Etonian” and suddenly, collective amnesia takes hold among SNP activists and supporters about the invective they have shovelled out, ‘in spades’, over the last couple of years.

      Now it’s “Bluster, bluster, how dare you make insinuations about our fine, upstanding candidate’s genealogy and privilege!”

      • Robert Sim

        “The problem, Harry, isn’t with Mr Skene’s background, it’s, simply, that the SNP, both nationally and locally, throughout the referendum campaign – ad nauseam – have repeatedly made insulting, bigoted, class-warring slurs against Conservative politicians.” Still no evidence to back up your claims, John?

      • Robin Stevenson

        What you and others are failing to grasp is the fact that Alex Salmond was referring to a privileged life, NOT where someone was educated or their background, but what they had actually achieved in the real world, how can anyone [with half a brain] compare what career politicians like David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg have done in the “Real world”, to what Danus Skean has?… It is completely and utterly irrelevant where Danus was educated? What’s far more important is what has this person done in life, and how can they relate empathically to ordinary people, their constituents?
        The “Old Etonian” jibe is aimed at those that know nothing beyond privilege, having never really lived outside of their safe little bubble.

      • Johan Adamson

        John I have been unaware of all these comments about Etonians, can you provide sources?

      • John Tulloch

        @Robert and Johan,

        Personally, I don’t give a hoot about Danus’s Skene’s schooling, nor about that of Tory politicians, you find agreeable and disagreeable people in every walk of life, without exception and given past SNP comments,mI can understand why he wished to downplay that aspect of his life.

        So I’m not defending Tom Morton’s skyimp-laden attack on Danus, I’m just highly amused by the SNP’s self-righteous response, after all the vitriol from them about “Old Etonians” – it’s pure humbug!

        As I say, “collective amnesia has taken hold” since Danus was outed as a “toff”.

      • Brian Smith

        John Tulloch is never quick on the uptake. There is a difference between objecting to well-heeled candidates whose policies are designed to make them more well-heeled (Tories, Clegg), and candidates whose policies will not have that result (Labour, SNP).

      • Gordon Harmer

        Here you go Johan feast you eyes, there are more where this came from. Robin Stevenson could probably dig some up from Wikilies, oh sorry Wikileaks.
        http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/03/if-alex-salmond-thinks-posh-boys-are-cowards-he-should-visit-etons-war-memorial/

      • John Tulloch

        We’re talking about bigotry, Brian. Using a person’s attendance at Eton or similar smear them, as you just did, with the suggestion that they (“Tories”) are automatically selfish and only out to “make themselves even more well-heeled”.

        Being wealthy doesn’t preclude having concern for those less well-off and as I said above, you meet agreeable and disagreeable people in every walk of life, irrespective of class, wealth, race, creed, or anything else you care to throw in.

        While you’re busy singing Labour’s praises, don’t forget who authored and pushed through the Climate Change Act, 2008, with all its implications for fuel poverty, food banks and copious transfer of money from the poor to the rich.

        It’s UKIP policy to repeal the act and while it isn’t Tory policy, many Tories agree with them.

      • Robin Stevenson

        I’m afraid nothing on Wikileaks Gordon, however there was this on your link :

        The author mentions “As a rule of thumb 20 per cent of public school boys who fought in the war died, against 13 per cent of those overall who served”. and
        “The more exclusive your education, the more likely you were to die”.

        How does he explain the number of Scots deaths which approached 30%. I am sure most did not have an exclusive education?

        In the words of Napoleon “Lions led by donkeys”.

  9. Iantinkler

    Tony Benn and Paul Foot, , were completely open books, all their past and ancestry was disclosed and public knowledge . Sir Antony Wedgwood Benn renounced his peerage and inheritance. The SNP and Baron Skene of Grimond or whatever he is, (liberal, labour and now SNP (any port in a storm)) just kept a little too quiet for about his past comfort. Maybe next time round he will be UKIP and Tory, will have the whole set then! Harry Dent, be aware being untruthful by way of non disclosure pushes people away also.

    • Robin Stevenson

      Perhaps you should take a leaf out of Danus’s book Ian? Rather than just vote blindly you could actually weigh up what the best option would be and the most beneficial for, not just yourself, but for the betterment of your Islands and your country? It may be any of the political parties? But could I just add, IF that party lets you down or changes it’s policies or moves too far to the left or too far to the right and next time around you decide to choose another party, no-one will blame you.

  10. Ali Inkster

    Da campaign poster o a scoti laird standin afore Scallowa castle kinda says hit aa really.

    • Robert Duncan

      I did think the same and laugh upon seeing that. Couldn’t really have picked a better (worse) spot to play into the hands of critics.

  11. Gordon Harmer

    The breathtaking hypocrisy of the nationalists is unbelievable; when this campaign started several nationalists got things started with personal attacks on the incumbent MP in the Shetland Times. I didn’t hear Robert Duncan label those letters and comments hateful and nonsense. Throughout this campaign both Salmond, Sturgeon and several senior SNP candidates and MSPs have ridiculed the last government because they claim it is made up of Etonian Toffs.
    When Danus Skene threw his hat in the ring he became a public figure who is well and truly in the limelight, leaving himself wide open for this kind of thing to befall him. The SNP leadership have set the bar on Old Etonians and what is to be said about them, so you have Salmond and Sturgeon to thank for what has been said about our own Old Etonian. What, what old chap, any one for Danus.

    • Robin Stevenson

      Gordon, there is a massive difference from those “Etonians” that have never lived or worked in the real world, and those that have, in every walk of life there are those that are acutely aware of the world around them, having experienced it, and those that haven’t wandered too far from the safety of their security blanket.

      • John Tulloch

        @Robin,

        David Cameron lost a young child, isn’t that ‘real world’ enough for you?

      • Gordon Harmer

        So Robin, where does that put your esteemed leader, (aye the female one) what part of the real world has she lived in, what life experience has she got under her privileged belt?
        I have more life experience than the whole of the Scottish cabinet does that qualify me to run (or ruin) a country?

      • Johan Adamson

        Shame on you John Tulloch

  12. john irvine

    I wouldn`t worry too much guys, Danus will soon find out that he`s wasted his time. Its just a pity that the rest of Scotland cant see through the fantasy dreamworld that Sturgeon and the rest of her cronies live in.

    Thank God we voted against independence, now with the fall in the oil price our economy would be in tatters, and that was what the SNP hinged our economy on!

    The SNP manifesto is a complete joke, making promises on issue`s that should have been dealt with before.

    God forbid they get the number of seats that might form a coalition because as John Major said about them they will create merry hell!

    • Robert Duncan

      There is indication so far is that the Scottish economy is growing despite the fall in oil revenues.

      http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a75399ea-c278-11e4-bd9f-00144feab7de.html#axzz3ZMoYsQsc

      The crowing about the difficulties of the North Sea industry are among the most unsettling aspects of the “No voter” rhetoric post-referendum. Some seem almost gleeful.

      • John Tulloch

        Oh, Robert, didn’t you read article on the link you supplied? Here’s a relevant snippet from it:

        “The offshore North Sea oil industry is not included in Scotland’s official GDP and the impact of job losses and cuts to wages of those who work in it would be spread across the UK.
        The collapse in oil industry tax revenues would have posed a big challenge to Scotland if it had voted for independence last year, but as a continuing part of the UK, Scotland will be shielded from most of the impact.”

        It seems offshore oil isn’t included in Scotland’s official GDP – “lies, damned lies and statistics!”

      • Robert Duncan

        I have read it, yes, and most of the referenced report. I don’t doubt the part you quote is true, however Scotland’s GDP without oil is comparable to that of the UK average, meaning that the continued growth in the onshore Scottish economy is still very positive. I don’t mean to suggest things would have been easy and agree that being in the UK “softens the blow”, but I find it both very simplistic and really quite odd that many seem to gloat about the falling oil price.

      • John Tulloch

        Robert,

        Didn’t you read the whole quote? Here’s the second half:

        “The collapse in oil industry tax revenues would have posed a big challenge to Scotland if it had voted for independence last year, but as a continuing part of the UK, Scotland will be shielded from most of the impact.”

        But Scotland DIDN’t “vote for independence” and so “as a continuing part of the UK Scotland will be shielded from most of the impact.”

  13. Sandy McDonald

    This election has become almost presidential – I think a lot of people will be voting for Nicola Sturgeon rather than their local SNP candidate. And good-on-her I say.

  14. john irvine

    Yes Sandy

    In the same way they voted for Margaret Thatcher? The similarities are truly striking!

    • Robin Stevenson

      The only connection Nicola has with Thatcher was the fact the Nicola disagreed so much with ‘everything’ that Thatcher stood for, that she felt compelled to go into politics to do something about it, apart from being a female, that’s where the similarity ends.

  15. laurencepaton

    Is this paper biased in favour of pro-EU parties, and no better than the mainstream media ?

    We probably will end up with our Liberal Democrat MP again but probably as an independent .
    I do hope to see Nigel Farage & co in Westminster exposing our political class for what they really are , Brussels document stamping clerks.
    And also the end of the Labour party will be most welcome . They can then concentrate on doing something to which they are more suited , such as doing a remake of the movie ” One flew over the cuckoo’s nest”.

    So it’s not all bad, Miliband will be gone shortly and Danus Skene will be able to stop wasting his time.

  16. iantinkler

    So now we have it, the SNP zealots chime on in full voice. I actually agree with much they say but will never support those whose primary aim is divisive. The word “Nationalist” is the name of the game and their true and only motivation. No stone is left unturned, no principle held to, any and every type of insult and threat used to forward this divisive goal. On the positive side, I thank the SNP for so opening up the class divide, unwittingly they have divided the socialist cause and so weakened Labour in Scotland which must be for the better, sadly they have replaced it with something far worse, the cult nationalist, exalting the divine Nicola. A vast cosmetic improvement on her predecessor Salmond, but rather like the Thatcher, a real wolf in sheep’s clothing, perhaps not the iron fist, but maybe still Alex’s little puppet, sweet but with a bitter motivation called division. Anyway, enough said, with a bitter irony I will vote Liberal, certainly a purely tactical move, just the lesser of two weasels, Carmichael is at least open about his background, a member of a proud tradition on Shetland and does not jump ship on every opportunity to follow his personal goals. He also makes no claims about being a born again, old Etonian, Jo Grimond clone! Sadly our other prospective candidates stand no chance, a vote there would be wasted.

    • Johan Adamson

      Their primary aim for this election is actually more like the equality Labour used to wish for.

      The unionist parties have revealed that they dont really like Scotland to have a voice. Have you read Marks letter?

      • John Tulloch

        No, Johan, aside from independence their primary aim has been to transfer money – via the ‘pork barrel’ – from the islands to the Central Belt.

        This has been achieved by, among other things;

        1. Under-funding education by £19.3Mpa, leading to rural school closures.
        2. Seizure of the SIC’s £2.3Mpa housing support grant.
        3. Exclusion of Shetland from RET leading to high inter-island ferry fares.
        4. Railroading Viking Energy on to rural Shetland – “bought and sold for English gold!”

        Vote SNP for school closures, funding cuts, no RET, privatisation of services and Viking Energy!

      • Johan Adamson

        These are the things Tavish needs to be fighting for us in the Scottish Parliament.

        And the liberals are none better on VE, in fact the coalition worked behind the scenes to make it happen

        Vote SNP and ensure the island voice is heard

      • John Tulloch

        I hope Tavish Scott is fighting those things in the Scottish Parliament, Johan. Of course, if his party was in government, he woukdn’t have to fight, he’d probably be in charge.

        That’s the beauty of having had Alistair Carmichael as Secretary of State for Scotland, he’s been able to arrange formal Westminster recognition of the higher cost of living and providing services,mas well as other difficulties like extremely high fuelmpoverty relative to the Mainland.

        That recognition is now installed in the UK government guidelines for new legislation.

        If the SNP Scottish government reciprocated, such things as education under-funding, school closures and RET would not be major issues, they would be dealt with as part of daily pricedure.

      • Robin Stevenson

        Johan, there seems to be no point in knocking John’s made up figures on these matters, a few weeks ago I thought he was beginning to see the light, alas, we’re sadly back to where he started a number of months ago, why spoil a good story with something like the facts?

  17. iantinkler

    Well there we have it. Labour disintegrated, the liberals all but gone. Cameron’s position immensely strengthen by the splitting of the socialist vote. Westminster now has a minority group of SNP MPs with absolutely no power or influence on anything at all. On the positive side the people of Shetland and Orkney have rejected the SNP yet again, surprising really as John Tulloch, Gordon Harmer and myself with our “nasty, bullying and parochial style of debate has done nothing but drive their fellow electorate towards the SNP” as Robert Duncan so claims. Pity really we did not argue our corner across all Scotland, who knows the Nats might just have had their wings further clipped and Cameron’s Tories may not have been so empowered. Now when the SNP yet again squeal for Independence, which they surely will, Shetland and Orkney have no demonstrated democratically they want no part in it… Comical Ali well-done, I salute you for bucking the trend, and enabling Shetland and Orkney folk to show their mettle and individuality…

    • Brian Smith

      Delusions of grandeur!

    • Robert Duncan

      Ian, we have just seen a 24% swing and what was believed to be the safest seat in the country go down to within 820 votes. If you don’t think there has been a serious shift in popular opinion in Shetland you are completely and utterly deluded.

    • Robert Duncan

      I’m personally shocked it was as close as it was – things are looking far worse for the future of the Union than I previously believed.

      • Johan Adamson

        It will be interesting when they have their referendum on membership of the EU

  18. ian tinkler

    Off course, Robert Duncan, the 24% shift was all my fault, just as Cameron getting an absolute majority in Westminster also. I understand full fiscal autonomy may be on offer to Scotland. That should be fun watching Scotland pay its way with no help from wicked Westminster. No Barnett formula and the end to austerity in Scotland if the SG (Scottish taxpayer that is) wants to pay for it. Thank God I am of retirement age and if I wish can sit back and watch (also collect my enhanced pension from the SG. whilst local income tax rockets!!! )

    • Robert Duncan

      “Off course, Robert Duncan, the 24% shift was all my fault”

      Don’t try to make me out like the dramatist here, it was you trying to claim credit for Carmichael scraping through. In reality, I don’t believe for a second that you expected it to be as close run as it was. I certainly didn’t. I previously did not expect to see another referendum on independence during this parliamentary term, now I am far less certain of that. The SNP’s rise has been unprecedented and the majority of non-SNP supporters seem completely blinded to the reasons why – I find that incredibly worrying.

  19. Mike Smith

    I don’t do in depth politics however for me it simply comes down to this: all the scare-mongering of SNP forming a coalition has ensured that the Tories won.
    Well done all those involved
    Well done Scotland
    As a result the Tories have a majority and can do what the hell they like unopposed.

    • Johan Adamson

      No. Even if we had all voted labour we still would have a Tory government

    • Robert Duncan

      Labour and the Lib Dems are both paying the price for their own spineless and directionless approaches. Had they set policies they believed in and argued confidently for them things might have been different, but instead they allowed the Conservatives to set the tone and essentially dictate terms. The Conservatives were allowed to build their case as champions of economic recovery, a position that could and should have been challenged far more strongly, and people have voted for them because – rightly or wrongly – they are seen as the party best able to provide better living conditions for voters.

      The SNP’s rise will have been a factor, no doubt, but if Labour had properly capitalised on the negative feelings about this coalition government, as they had ample opportunity to, it would not have been.

      • John Tulloch

        Robert,

        Do you still not smell the coffee?

        Gordon Brown and Labour deregulated the banks, took away the Bank of England’s supervisory role and inflated the national debt during the good years, breaking Brown’s own ‘Golden Rule’, repeatedly. They didn’t cause the banking crisis but they presided over it and their own actions exacerbated the consequences for this country.

        They made blunder after blunder, culminating in the ill-advised appointment of, frankly, that clown Ed Miliband who sealed their fate with his policies and unconvincing, over-groomed, personal impact.

        Old Labour got the chance of a comeback as a result of the debacle at the end of the Blair-Brown era and anger at “the banks” and ‘lo and behold’ Blair, Mandelson and Brown, not to mention David Miliband, get to shrug and say “there you are, boys, we tried to tell you that that doesn’t work, the people just don’t want it any more.”

      • John Tulloch

        Robert,

        Even the Scots don’t want Old Labour, they’re fed up with East European-style socialism, they don’t live like that any more.

        Labour, especially, Scottish Labour, is about 50 years behind their fan base – they even seem old-fashioned to me, for God’s sake! – depending on the children and grandchildren of the old guard from coal-mining, iron and steel and the Clyde to vote them in, because “oor family always votes Labour”.

        Scots are looking for something else to follow. They’ve gone back to “pie in the sky” – religion – thumped out in melodramatic sermons about the SNP’s ‘Promised Land’.

      • Robert Duncan

        I’m not particularly sure what coffee I should be smelling. I’m not calling for a Labour return to their post-war days, they simply need to reassess what it is they stand for and actually stand for it. They lost this election because they tried to be everything to everybody instead of letting voters know they actually had principles they believed in.

  20. ian tinkler

    For goodness sake Robert, calm down, I was making a mild joke. Are you having a sense of humor crisis?

    • Robert Duncan

      I’m well aware you were not being 100% literal, Ian.

  21. ian tinkler

    Very true Mike. Just watch Cameron give full fiscal autonomy to Sturgeon. Poor Scotland will then have to find funds for all the giver ways and anti austerity costs. No Barnett formula either, o dear, just what the SNP have asked for, local Scottish income tax will be such fun. The SNP will not be able to blame Westminster for anything then, real self inflicted wound and not much of a vote winner. Maybe Cameron is not as daft as he sometimes looks, he seems to have played a blinder here with a bit of help from the SNP.